Hallo allerseits!

Da ich mich ein bisschen mit Elektronik etc. auskenne, würde ich gern einmal versuchen, mir ein Iontophoresegerät selbst zu bauen.

Hat irgendjemand Erfahrung damit?? Weiss irgendjemand die erforderlichen Strom- und Spannungswerte? Habe bisher nur als Angabe für den Strom 15-18 mA gefunden.

Oder hat gar jemand einen Schaltplan? Oder es schon selbst ausprobiert?

Ich wäre über jede Antwort dankbar!

Viele Grüße,

Steinchen

ACHTUNG NICHT NACHMACHEN!! KEINE HAFTUNG!!!!!

also einfach ein regelbares Netzteil kaufen (0-40V), Elektroden selber basteln, fertig!
musst dir nur noch was einfallen lassen wie du ein/ausschalten kannst und wie du an den regler rankommst...
eigentlich eine frechheit wieviel aufschlag diese dinger kosten nur weil man sie im "gesundheitsladen" kauft...

naja, aber braucht man nicht noch einen strombegrenzer oder so was???

hmm..
auf den nötigen strom kommt man doch indem man langsam mit der spannung hochgeht bis man den gewünschten strom hat.

aber wenn man sich nicht gerade das allerbilligtse netzteil besorgt kann man da dann auch einen max. strom einstellen..

Hallo German friends. I'm from Finland and would like to show you the selfmade iontophoresis system for hands I built.
I hope you don't mind me writing in English, you would not understand my german <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_redface.gif" border=0 alt="Embarassed">
This is the only thread about this issue I found on Internet but if you have links to other similar I would appreciate it.
I tested it last night for the first time and I think it worked like it should. I will continue using it for now on and can tell you how it works after one or two weeks.
I think I can't upload picture here but if you want to see it you can email me.
Before reading further remember that this is low voltage system and is not connected to the mains 230V. This is why my system is 100% safe against electric shock!
Here is short description about the system and components.
I used battery packs from my RC hobby. 16 cells total (9nicd and 7 nimh) which gives about 19-21,5V. I don't know for sure but I'll try to use second meter to read the voltage too.
I had a multimeter connected in series for measuring the current. It was not very accurate but the current was about 0.01A (~10mA). The feeling was right at the edge of unconfortable but I was able to keep my hands in there full 30min without too much trouble. To get accurate reading I'll get new multimeter on Tuesday. They only cost about 10-30 euros.
I searched pictures from google to illustrate what components were used. I hope it makes things clear. You can ask and I'll hapily answer.
The steel electrodes were made from bookends. I removed the paint with acetone and sandpaper from both sides.
<img src="http://home.netvigator.com/~wmpm/images/ib6086.jpg" border=0 alt="http://home.netvigator.com/~wmpm/images/ib6086.jpg">
I found some bowls that was perfect fit for the steel plates.
<img src="http://www.kemo-electronic.com/bilder/g062/g062_320x240.jpg" border=0 alt="http://www.kemo-electronic.com/bilder/g062/g062_320x240.jpg">
The multimeter was used for measuring the current.
<img src="http://www.mc3.edu/aa/career/MATHSCI/egrprog/Multimeter.jpg" border=0 alt="http://www.mc3.edu/aa/career/MATHSCI/egrprog/Multimeter.jpg">
I had non slip pads between the steel plates and my hands
<img src="http://www.vlin.net/English/non-slip-pad.gif" border=0 alt="http://www.vlin.net/English/non-slip-pad.gif">
Wires were connected to the plates with these.
<img src="http://www.hebeiltd.com.cn/connector/binding.post.4.jpg" border=0 alt="http://www.hebeiltd.com.cn/connector/binding.post.4.jpg">
You can use normal batteries for power. Remember that they are 1.5V when nicd and nimh are about 1.25-1.35V (I measured that). You'll need about 12-13 normal AA batteries to get 20V.
<img src="http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/70204/200.jpg" border=0 alt="http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/70204/200.jpg">
You need 2 or 3 battery holders.
<img src="http://www.futurlec.com/Pictures/6XAA-Holder.JPG" border=0 alt="http://www.futurlec.com/Pictures/6XAA-Holder.JPG">
Of course you need also wire and it should be good silicone wire and about 2m long each + and -.
This is very simple to make if you know something about electronics and can do solder joints (not necessary).
This system can be built for less than 50 euros! I was bidding on a idromed 4 at ebay and I'm glad I did not get it <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> It was over 300 euros!
Ask, I'll answer happily. And I hope you can send me email thru this page. I'll change my settings if you can't. I might need english instuctions for that...
Thanks.

I would like to add that it's easy to change the current by using different number of cells. I can change to 14 or 18 cells if I want but I think 16 is right. It gives right feeling. As the treatment only uses 10-20mA normal batteries will last about 120 hours or 240 treatments!
I want to remind that not all people can use this kind of treatment.
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Wann dürfen Sie idromed® nicht benutzen?

Bei folgenden Kontraindikationen sollte idromed® 4 nicht oder nur nach Absprache mit dem behandelnden Arzt verwendet werden:

Herzrhythmusstörungen
Elektronisch gesteuerte Implantate (Herzschrittmacher)
Metallhaltige Intrauterin-Implantate (Spirale)
Schwangerschaft
Große Hautdefekte
Unempfindlichkeit gegenüber Schmerzreizen
Metallimplantate im Bereich des Stromflusses
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Danke

Hallo,
I used it again last night and I measured the voltage. It was 21.3V and it is exactly the same as resting voltage. You can get almost exactly the same voltage by using 14 AA or AAA alkaline batteries (21,8V). 21.8V might be too unconfortable so it's better start with 13 cells (20.3V).
After I removed my hands from there it gives very nice warm feeling to them <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
Danke.

Hi again.
As I told before I got new multimeter today and I'm glad I did.
I was surpriced that I only had 10-11mA earlier. So I put one 9 cell battery pack more so there was 25 cells total (33V). Then I got 18mA and little bit stronger feeling <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_cool.gif" border=0 alt="Cool">
Few thing I have noticed that the book-end steel plates rust very rapidly with more current. The water turned little yellow. I think it's better find good stainless steel. I might continue with these plates and use sandpaper to remove the rust.
By now I have not noticed any defference in sweating but I'm confident that with 18mA I will get better <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">
Is anyone interested in building this?
Thanks.

Today was the first day I felt less sweating. Especially some fingers are almost completely dry but my palms that are the sweatiest part still sweats almost as much as earlier. I think I now raise my fingers from the water to get even results.
So 4 days with 10mA and 3 days with 15-18mA starts giving results.
I have noticed that first the current is 15mA but it raises to 18-19mA to the end. I think it might be the rust in the water which makes it more conductive. Or maybe my arm muscles are more tense and affect my body resistance. I have noticed that relaxing muscles in arms and shoulder decreases the current.

Viele Grüße

Hallo,
This is working very well! I've been sitting in front of my computer now for an hour and normally my hands would be very wet from the sweat. Now they are so dry I could shake hands with anyone right now <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif" border=0 alt="Very Happy"> I don't use it every day anymore because I don't have to! I recommend this iontophoresis self building to everyone. Only side effect I've noticed is that there is little spots of darker pigment in my right thumb but it's hardly noticeable.
This cost about 20 euros for me and I'm cured <img src="images/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif" border=0 alt="Smile">

Viele Grüße